What if we’ve misunderstood one of Jesus’ most familiar commands?
In this episode of the Ephesiology Podcast, a simple but unsettling shift is explored: not “make disciples,” but disciple as you are going. Drawing from a recent conversation between Dr. Tony Blair and Michael, Andrew and Michael reflect on how a closer reading of the Great Commission reframes our role, not as producers of disciples, but as participants in what God alone does.
This conversation is both clarifying and disruptive. It challenges long-held assumptions, invites theological humility, and opens the door to a more faithful, contextual, and Spirit-led practice of discipleship.
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Keywords:
Discipleship, Great Commission, Make Disciples, Missiology, Theological Reflection, Biblical Interpretation, Indigenous Discipleship, Contextual Theology, Holy Spirit, Kingdom Mission, Exegesis, Form vs Function, Church Practice, Spiritual Formation
Key Takeaways
- God is the one who makes disciples
- The shift from “make disciples” to “disciple” reframes discipleship as participation in the work of the Holy Spirit, not human production.
- “As you are going” changes the posture of mission
- Discipleship is not about geographic displacement or a singular calling to “go,” but about faithfully discipling in the everyday rhythms of life.
- The shift is both theological and liberating
- Releasing the burden of “making” disciples frees believers to walk alongside others and trust God for transformation.
- Discipleship is a lifelong, corrective journey
- Faithfulness includes being open to re-evaluating previously held assumptions and allowing the Holy Spirit to reshape understanding over time.
- Good motivations can still carry flawed assumptions
- Even meaningful ministry experiences may be built on incomplete or culturally shaped interpretations that require later correction.
- Theology is always shaped by context
- What we often assume is “biblical” may actually be a cultural reading of Scripture, requiring deeper exegetical work.
- Indigenous discipleship is essential
- Discipleship must take different forms in different cultural contexts rather than exporting a single Western model globally.
- We often confuse form and function
- Practices we treat as essential (function) may actually be contextual expressions (form), limiting how discipleship can take root in other cultures.
- The posture of a disciple is open-handed obedience
- True discipleship involves taking steps of faith while remaining open to God’s correction and redirection.
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Michael is the missiologist in residence with East West where he focuses on equipping and empowering church leaders in evangelism, discipleship, leadership, and catalyzing church planting movements in the most difficult to reach places on the planet. He is the author of Ephesiology: The Study of the Ephesian Movement as well as many other books and academic articles. He has lectured at universities around the world and serves as affiliate faculty at Kairos University where he facilitates the degree programs in partnership with Ephesiology Master Classes.
Andrew is a proud husband, father and pastor who desires all to know the one true King. He is honored to serve at West Village Church in Victoria, BC. Previously, he’s ministered in Houston, Chicago, Indy, Flagstaff and Tempe in a variety of church contexts. Andrew has a BA in Christian Ministry from Trinity International University and an MA from Phoenix Seminary. He is currently a Doctor of Ministry student at Kairos University and is the co-host of the Ephesiology Podcast. When not at work, he’s an avid disc golfing, vinyl playing, Spider-Man following/collecting fellow. Go Pacers.
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