In this episode of the Ephesiology podcast, Andrew, Michael, and Matt engage with Dr. Wes Watkins to explore the dynamics of church movements, the importance of understanding movements in a contemporary context, and the integration of Motus Dei with Missio Dei. They discuss the characteristics of movements, the role of the Holy Spirit, and the challenges posed by institutionalism. The conversation emphasizes the need for humility, collaboration, and learning from global movements, particularly in the face of declining church attendance in the West. The episode concludes with a call to action for the church to embrace a more dynamic and inclusive understanding of its mission.
Keywords
Wes Watkins, church movements, missiology, Motus Dei, Missio Dei, discipleship, church planting, Christian movements, ecclesiology
Takeaways
- A movement is defined as a chain reaction of disciples making disciples.
- Movements can sustain multiple generations of church planting.
- The church must be adaptive and contextually embedded.
- Intentionality is crucial for starting movements.
- The Holy Spirit plays a vital role in the spontaneity of movements.
- Institutionalism can hinder the growth of movements.
- Learning from global movements can inform Western practices.
- Unity among different expressions of the church is essential.
- The Motus Dei concept emphasizes God’s nature as movement.
- Ekklesia is an identity, not just an activity.
Sound Bites
“Church history is serial, not progressive.”
“We need to fight for unity.”
“Ekklesia is who we are, not something we do.”
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to the Ephesiology Podcast
00:51 Meet Dr. Wes Watkins: Scholar and Missiologist
04:31 Understanding Movements in Christianity
07:35 Defining a Movement: Disciples Making Disciples
09:56 The Phenomenon of Movements: Observations and Methodologies
14:25 Intentionality in Movements: Are They Started or Observed?
19:17 The Role of the Holy Spirit in Movements
22:48 Institutional vs. Movement Paradigms in the Church
24:41 Mission and Movement in the Church
27:58 Reactivating the Church as a Movement
32:31 Integrating Motus Dei with Missio Dei
38:49 The Nature of Ecclesia and Its Identity
44:50 The Importance of Unity in Diversity
48:19 Navigating the Complexity of Church Identity
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Michael is the missiologist in residence with East West where he focuses on equipping and empowering church leaders in evangelism, discipleship, leadership, and catalyzing church planting movements in the most difficult to reach places on the planet. He is the author of Ephesiology: The Study of the Ephesian Movement as well as many other books and academic articles. He has lectured at universities around the world and serves as affiliate faculty at Kairos University where he facilitates the degree programs in partnership with Ephesiology Master Classes.
Andrew is a proud husband, father and pastor who desires all to know the one true King. He is honored to serve at West Village Church in Victoria, BC. Previously, he’s ministered in Houston, Chicago, Indy, Flagstaff and Tempe in a variety of church contexts. Andrew has a BA in Christian Ministry from Trinity International University and an MA from Phoenix Seminary. He is currently a Doctor of Ministry student at Kairos University and is the co-host of the Ephesiology Podcast. When not at work, he’s an avid disc golfing, vinyl playing, Spider-Man following/collecting fellow. Go Pacers.
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