On this Ephesiology Podcast, Andrew and Michael discuss what a reorientation to Jesus looks like. Of primary importance is seeing Jesus for who He is right at this moment. They look at the penchant of the first disciples for creating Jesus in their image. Then, by focusing on the only book in the Bible that …
Episode 169: Innovative Disruption
On this Ephesiology Podcast, Andrew and Michael introduce a 10 week series focused on innovative disruption. In this introduction to the series, our podcasters discuss what exactly they mean by disruption as they begin to lead us to think innovatively about what we learn from the early Christ-followers. Meaningful innovation begins with reorienting to Jesus. …
Episode 168: The Church Then & Now
On this Ephesiology Podcast, Andrew and Michael catch up after recent travels to South Asia, the Middle East, and Europe. Among other topics, Michael shares about the significance of archaeology for the study of the New Testament movement and invites listeners to join him on an upcoming research trip to Asia Minor. Learn more about …
Episode 167: Jeff Christopherson, Again
On this Ephesiology Podcast, Andrew and Michael are joined by Jeff Christopherson, again. Jeff updates us on the reception of his book, Once You See: Seven Temptations of the Western Church. He gives us more of the context and birth of the book which came out of his interactions with 1600 churches during COVID. To …
Episode 166: Christ Together with Will Plitt
On this Ephesiology Podcast, Andrew and Michael are joined by Will Plitt to discuss the work of Christ Together in the United States. Join us for this fascinating conversation about the state of Christianity in America and the ways in which churches are working together to make Christ known. Will shares about the missiological and …
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Episode 165: Global Christianity with Todd Johnson
On this Ephesiology Podcast, Andrew and Michael are joined by Dr. Todd M. Johnson to discuss World Christianity in 2024. Join us for this fascinating conversation about the state of Christian unity, the growth of religion globally, and the increase in the numbers of missionaries around the world along with many other things. If you …
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Episode 164: The Church on Mission with Brian Sanders
On this Ephesiology Podcast, Andrew and Michael are joined by Brian Sanders to talk about some early findings from his research on church networking in central Florida. Brian is a social entrepreneur who has helped start hundreds of missional enterprises. He is the founder and former executive director of Tampa Underground. Join us for a …
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Episode 163: Does this go past 11?
On this special edition of the Ephesiology Podcast, Andrew and Michael continue the series called Make Disciples. On this episode, they ask the question (and try to answer it in part), "are there more than 11 characteristics of a disciple?" Be sure to follow along with us in Michael's recent book, Make Disciples: Discover the …
Episode 162: Make Disciples with Jeff Vanderstelt
On this special edition of the Ephesiology Podcast, Andrew and Michael continue the series called Make Disciples. On this episode, they are joined by Jeff Vanderstelt to talk about how disciples make more disciples. Be sure to follow along with us in Michael's recent book, Make Disciples: Discover the Spiritual Journey of a Christ-Follower and …
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Episode 161: Multiply with Michelle and Rob Wegner
On this special edition of the Ephesiology Podcast, Andrew and Michael continue a the series called Make Disciples. On this episode, they are joined by Michelle and Rob Wegner to talk about how disciples multiply. Be sure to follow along with us in Michael's recent book, Make Disciples: Discover the Spiritual Journey of a Christ-Follower …
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Episode 160: Suffer with Emmanuel Tsoutsas
On this special edition of the Ephesiology Podcast, Andrew and Michael continue a the series called Make Disciples. On this episode, they are joined by Emmanuel Tsoutsas to talk about how disciples suffer. Be sure to follow along with us in Michael's recent book, Make Disciples: Discover the Spiritual Journey of a Christ-Follower and watch …
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Episode 159: Learn with Liz Rios
On this special edition of the Ephesiology Podcast, Andrew and Michael continue a the series called Make Disciples. On this episode, they are joined by Liz Rios to talk about how disciples learn. Be sure to follow along with us in Michael's recent book, Make Disciples: Discover the Spiritual Journey of a Christ-Follower and watch …
Episode 158: Respectful with Miguel Castillo
On this special edition of the Ephesiology Podcast, Andrew and Michael continue a new series called Make Disciples. On this episode, they are joined by Miguel Castillo to talk about how disciples are respectful. Be sure to follow along with us in Michael's recent book, Make Disciples: Discover the Spiritual Journey of a Christ-Follower and …
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Episode 157: Pray with Danielle Strickland
On this special edition of the Ephesiology Podcast, Andrew and Michael continue a new series called Make Disciples. On this episode, they are joined by Danielle Strickland to talk about how disciples pray. Be sure to follow along with us in Michael's recent book, Make Disciples: Discover the Spiritual Journey of a Christ-Follower and watch …
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Episode 156: Godly with Bev Murrill
On this special edition of the Ephesiology Podcast, Andrew and Michael continue a new series called Make Disciples. On this episode, they are joined by Bev Murrill to talk about how disciples are godly. Be sure to follow along with us in Michael's recent book, Make Disciples: Discover the Spiritual Journey of a Christ-Follower and …
Episode 155: Witness with Tim Catchim
On this special edition of the Ephesiology Podcast, Andrew and Michael continue a new series called Make Disciples. On this episode, they are joined by Tim Catchim to talk about how disciples witness. Be sure to follow along with us in Michael's recent book, Make Disciples: Discover the Spiritual Journey of a Christ-Follower and watch …
Episode 154: Unite with Rob Kelly
On this special edition of the Ephesiology Podcast, Andrew and Michael continue a new series called Make Disciples. On this episode, they are joined by Rob Kelly to talk about how disciples unite on mission. Be sure to follow along with us in Michael's recent book, Make Disciples: Discover the Spiritual Journey of a Christ-Follower …
Episode 153: Prepare with Bree Mills
On this special edition of the Ephesiology Podcast, Andrew and Michael continue a new series called Make Disciples. On this episode, they are joined by Bree Mills to talk about how disciples prepare. Be sure to follow along with us in Michael's recent book, Make Disciples: Discover the Spiritual Journey of a Christ-Follower and watch …
Episode 152: Encounter People with Michael Frost
On this special edition of the Ephesiology Podcast, Andrew and Michael continue a new series called Make Disciples. On this episode, they are joined by Mike Frost to talk about how disciples encounter people. Be sure to follow along with us in Michael's recent book, Make Disciples: Discover the Spiritual Journey of a Christ-Follower and …
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Episode 151: God’s Will with Lucas Pulley and Bill Couchenour
On this special edition of the Ephesiology Podcast, Andrew and Michael begin a new series called Make Disciples. On this episode, they are joined by Lucas Pulley and Bill Couchenour to talk about God's will. Be sure to follow along with us in Michael's recent book, Make Disciples: Discover the Spiritual Journey of a Christ-Follower …
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Episode 150: What is a Disciple with Alan Hirsch
On this special edition of the Ephesiology Podcast, Andrew and Michael begin a new series called Make Disciples. On this episode, they are joined by Alan Hirsch to talk about the definition of "disciple." Be sure to follow along with us in Michael's recent book, Make Disciples: Discover the Spiritual Journey of a Christ-Follower and …
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Episode 149: Christian Nationalism with Andrew Whitehead
On this episode of the Ephesiology Podcast, Andrew and Michael are joined by Dr. Andrew Whitehead to discuss his recent book, American Idolatry: How Christian Nationalism Betrays the Gosepl and Threatens the Church. Dr. Whitehead discusses his journey as he wrestled with his own faith background and how it intersected with Christian nationalism. In his …
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Episode 148: The Evangelical Imagination with Karen Swallow Prior
On this episode of the Ephesiology Podcast, Andrew and Michael are joined by Dr. Karen Swallow Prior to discuss her recent book, The Evangelical Imagination: How Stories, Images, and Metaphors Created a Culture in Crisis. Dr. Prior discusses, among other things, how 18th century evangelicalism during the Victorian Age impacts us today. The influences of …
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Episode 147: The Meaning of Headship, Part II
On this episode of the Ephesiology Podcast, Andrew and Michael are joined by David Leigh and Matt Till to continue the dialogue on headship. Among other things, the four call for compassion when engaging on the issue as Christ calls us to unity. This is a conversation that is potentially divisive so our guests help …
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Episode 146: The Meaning of Headship
On this episode of the Ephesiology Podcast, Andrew and Michael introduce a conversation between Matt Till and Dave Leigh about the meaning of headship in the Bible. Matt and Dave skillfully explain how the Greek word for "head" (kephale) was used in the first century and they help us understand the often misunderstood passages about …
Episode 145: Contextualization Risk Paradox
On this special episode of the Ephesiology Podcast, we listen in to the first Areopagus Symposium with Dr. Michael T. Cooper sharing on the topic of contextualization. Missiologists have frequently recognized the thin line between contextualization and syncretism. This symposium will introduce broad boundaries in the missionary task which account for the tendency to either …
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Episode 144: The New Season
On this episode of the Ephesiology Podcast, Andrew and Michael catch up after the summer break. Among other things, they talk about their summer activities and introduce the new season, whatever number it is. There is a full slate of guests and topics coming up this season. If you have a question or topic that …
Episode 143: Summer Break
On this episode of the Ephesiology Podcast, it's summer break. Andrew and Michael reflect on the past several episodes, especially those with our special guests. And, they look to the future when they return with the next season. If you have a question or topic that you’d like to hear addressed on the Ephesiology Podcast, …
Episode 142: The Church and Mental Health
On this episode of the Ephesiology Podcast, author and co-founder of a ministry focused on trauma healing, Evan Owens, joins Andrew and Michael to discuss mental health in the church. Evan shares how psychology is catching up with what we know about the importance of long-term relationships for personal well-being versus one-hour counseling sessions. One …
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Episode 141: A Leadership in Crisis
On this episode of the Ephesiology Podcast, author and leadership expert, Lance Ford, joins Michael and Andrew to discuss issues confronting the contemporary understanding of leadership. Among other things, Lance shares about the concept of starfish leadership from the book he co-authored with Rob Wegner and Alan Hirsch, The Starfish and the Spirit: Unleashing the …
Episode 140: Does God Exist?
On this episode of the Ephesiology Podcast, Michael and Andrew discuss a recent article in Relevant talking about the decline of belief in God. The General Social Survey has been tracking beliefs in the United States for decades. Recent data continues to suggest that increasing numbers of Americans have doubts about God. What will turn …
Episode 139: Revelation for the Rest of Us
On this episode of the Ephesiology Podcast, Michael and Andrew sit down with Dr. Scot McKnight for a discussion of his latest book, Revelation for the Rest of Us. Scot tells us that the instinct of the average person in the pew is a modified view of dispensationalism. Confused by the term? Join the podcast …
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Episode 138: Can We Gamify Jesus?
On this episode of the Ephesiology Podcast, Michael and Andrew discuss a new video game that does battle with Satan. The beta release has received criticism as it gamifies Jesus. Players are invited to be Jesus and battle Satan by filling their Holy Spirit meter and casting down fire from heaven. The game leaves one …
Episode 137: Shaping Missions for the Future
On this episode of the Ephesiology Podcast, Michael and Andrew are joined for a final episode with Dr. Steve Leston, president and CEO of To Every Tribe, a mission agency focused on preparing teams to church plant in complex areas of the world. On today's podcast, Steve discusses the shape of missions in the future …
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Episode 136: Even More Forces Shaping Missions
On this episode of the Ephesiology Podcast, Michael and Andrew are joined for a fourth episode with Dr. Steve Leston, president and CEO of To Every Tribe, a mission agency focused on preparing teams to church plant in complex areas of the world. On today's podcast, Steve discusses the topics of nationalism and technology along …
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Episode 135: More Forces Shaping Missions
On this episode of the Ephesiology Podcast, Michael and Andrew are joined for a third episode with Dr. Steve Leston, president and CEO of To Every Tribe, a mission agency focused on preparing teams to church plant in complex areas of the world. Today, Steve is walking us through a force shaping missions: at risk …
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Episode 134: Forces Shaping Missions
On this episode of the Ephesiology Podcast, Michael and Andrew are joined once again by Dr. Steve Leston, president and CEO of To Every Tribe, a mission agency focused on preparing teams to church plant in complex areas of the world. Today, we focus on the importance of understanding context rather than simply replicating models …
Episode 133: Trends in Modern Missions
On this episode of the Ephesiology Podcast, Michael and Andrew are joined by Dr. Steve Leston, president and CEO of To Every Tribe, a mission agency focused on preparing teams to church plant in complex areas of the world. Our topic today and for the next two podcasts is missions in a post-everything world. Today, …
Episode 132: A New Theological Education Initiative
On this episode of the Ephesiology Podcast, Michael and Andrew reveal a new theological education initiative in partnership with the Movement Leaders Collective. The founders, Alan Hirsch and Rich Robinson, join the podcast to talk about the significance of this collaborative initiative for movement thinkers. As we are fond of saying, "To shift the tracks …
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Episode 131: “Did you see Jesus in the Super Bowl?”
On this episode of the Ephesiology Podcast, Prof Matt Harbour joins Andrew and Michael to talk about the Jesus ads at the Super Bowl. Prof Harbour and Michael recently co-authored an article on the Christology of He Gets Us that will appear on March 1 in the Journal of the Evangelical Missiological Society. Andrew probes …
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Episode 130: Church after the Pandemic
On this episode of the Ephesiology Podcast, we catch up with Heath Haynes, movement director of the Bridge: HTX. Heath shares about the life of the church after the pandemic and how the Lord used the pandemic to bring clarity to their work in Houston. A part of the clarity has been the implementation of …
Episode 129: Church Multiplication with Daniel Yang
On this episode of the Ephesiology Podcast, we catch up with Daniel Yang. Daniel is the Director of the Billy Graham Center's Church Multiplication Institute at Wheaton College. Join Andrew and Michael as they talk with Daniel about the future of church multiplication, the influence of the generations, and the impact of the pandemic on …
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Episode 128: Once You See with Jeff Christopherson
Happy New Year! We are back with our first podcast of 2023 and one of our favorite guests: Jeff Christopherson. Join us as Andrew and Michael (if he stays awake after returning from South Asia) talk with Jeff about church planting in Canada and his new book, Once You See: Seven Temptations of the Western …
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Ep 127: End a Theological Famine
There’s a famine in the land. It’s not the kind of famine we usually associate with the needs in the majority world. It’s a theological famine depriving church leaders and pastors from theological instruction that can help them mature biblically sound disciples, develop New Testament leaders, and multiple theologically orthodox churches. Find us on your …
Episode 126: Theology and Failure with Robert Elkin
On this Ephesiology Podcast, Andrew and Michael talk with Robert Elkin, director of training for Redeemer City to City in New York. Among a variety of topics, Robert shares about the failure of his first church plant and the lessons he learned which helped in the launch of a second church. Also, the 2022 State …
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Episode 125: Thinking Like a Missionary
On this Ephesiology Podcast, Andrew and Michael respond to one listener’s question about the importance for pastors and church leaders to think like a missionary. Perhaps more importantly, they discuss the role of APEST in equipping the entire church with skills and abilities to cross cultures, speak to cultural issues, do the work of an …
Episode 124: The Houston Church Planting Network with Chad Clarkson
On this episode of the Ephesiology Podcast we hear from Chad Clarkson who shares about his conviction of partnership. It was out of such a conviction that the Houston Church Planting Network was born. With a heart for uniting the body of Christ, Chad discusses how it is possible for churches from different denominational background …
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Episode 123: The Send Network with Charles Campbell
On this Ephesiology Podcast we are joined by the Send Networks' director of the equipping team for regional directors of church planting. An experienced church planter, Charles Campbell joins Andrew and Michael to share about the church planting efforts of the Southern Baptist Convention. The Send Network partners with 4,400 SBC churches to multiple churches …
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Episode 122: DOOR International’s Rob Myers and David Pope
On this Ephesiology Podcast, Michael interviews Dr. Rob Myers, president and Dr. David Pope, chairman of the board of DOOR International. DOOR International exist to bring the Bible to the heart language of every Deaf person in the world. With more than 70 million Deaf spread across the globe, less than 2 percent know God. …
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Episode 121: The Summit Collaborative with Clayton Greene
On this Ephesiology Podcast we are joined by the director of church planting for the Summit Collaborative. Clayton Greene shares with Andrew and Michael the lessons they are learning about starting churches that multiply. Currently, the Summit Collaborative has seen 69 churches begin across the US on their way to 1,000 churches globally. Join us …
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Episode 120: A New Season @Ephesiology
Welcome to the Ephesiology podcast, season 4, we think. On this podcast, Andrew and Michael talk about all that is happening at Ephesiology from new master classes, to partnerships with mission organizations, and seminaries. We are excited about what God has been doing and grateful for the opportunity to join with Him on His mission. …


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